College Football Playoff Quarterfinals Preview & Bengals Beat the Cardinals to Win Second Straight

Nick (00:44)
We're back, hope everybody had a great Merry Christmas and wish you also a Happy New Year as this will be our last show of 2025. It is the height differential. That's the 6'6", Neil. I'm the 4'10". Nick, happy to be back. We've got college football to talk about, the NFL, college basketball has gone crazy. And we'll recap with some of the best stories.

Neil (01:09)
Mm-hmm.

Nick (01:14)
of 2025 but I guess first off how was Christmas?

Neil (01:19)
Yeah, let's talk about Christmas, a little recap of Christmas. Christmas was good, man. You know, we got back from sunny South Florida after a bowl win and rolled right into Christmas Eve and you know, had four straight days of stuff to do with the fan. But you know, all in all, was great. The kids loved it. They got, think, everything on Santa's wish list. Myself, I got a Home Depot gift card, a shoe rack, and a hat rack.

That's what you get when you're 38. That's 38 year old Christmas presents. So what about you?

Nick (01:54)
Well, I got an electronic ⁓ air pump so you can pump the tires. And I got a heating pad. So yeah, getting old, when you get old, this is what you get. But no, was great. Spent Christmas Eve with the fam to celebrate Christmas and to celebrate my birthday. And then Christmas Day went down to the cathedral for mass and then just hung out with the parents all day and watched.

Neil (02:06)
That's what you get.

Nick (02:22)
Christmas story followed by the Christmas vacation followed by Elf. And then I had never seen it, but we finished the day watching the new Grinch. I didn't watch it as intently, but he seemed like a really nice Grinch. He wasn't as mean as the OG or the original or the Jim Carrey.

Neil (02:31)
Okay.

What's the new?

I don't know if I know, I don't know if, yeah, I don't know if I know the,

I don't know if I know the New Grinch. I've seen the Jim Carrey one and like the OG, but what's this New Grinch you speak of? How old is this movie?

Nick (02:48)
I think it's 2019. ⁓ Benedict Cumberbatch is the voice of the Grinch. Pharrell does a lot of the music and is the narrator. It's, ⁓ as my mom and my sister would say, it's beautifully done. A lot of colors. A lot of colors. It dives more into the life of Cindy Lou Who. She's more of a leader instead of just being like ⁓ just somebody who's kind of there. But I didn't watch it super intently, but.

Neil (02:50)
Really? Okay.

I have not heard of them.

Okay.

Yep. Gotcha.

Nick (03:18)
I took, I mean, four movies in, you kinda, it's hard. ⁓ But we got some naps in throughout the movies and had some good food, but it was a good, relaxing Christmas.

Neil (03:21)
Yeah, you got it. Yeah.

There you go.

Nice. Alright.

Nick (03:33)
needed better sports on Christmas. The NFL was

Neil (03:38)
Yeah, the

NFL games, when they, I mean it's hard to do, when you release the schedule, you anticipate those games, you know, being good games. Nobody could have foreseen the Chiefs, you know, being kind of as bad as they were, and Patrick Mahomes tearing his ACL, and Gardner Mishu's on tearing his ACL, so that turned out to not be a very, very good game, but I mean even the other ones, who else played on a Christmas day there? Yeah, the Lions were absolutely terrible.

Nick (04:01)
The lions were terrible.

Neil (04:05)
That's right.

Nick (04:05)
I'll be

honest, I did not turn on a Netflix game because I wasn't interested. We were watching movies. I did turn on eventually to watch the end of the Chiefs game to see them lose to the Broncos. But honestly, I kind of enjoyed the fact that I could watch Christmas movies instead of because I remember last year the Bengals are standing, the Ravens or the Steelers were playing on Christmas day. So you're locked in.

Neil (04:18)
Yeah.

pay attention to them.

Yeah.

Nick (04:32)
and you want to watch the whole game. was actually kind of nice to be able to kind of celebrate and watch Christmas movies.

Neil (04:38)
Yeah, yeah, and the other, the Cowboys commanders game wasn't bad, but neither of those teams were playing for anything. nobody really cared. And I never was really a big fan of NBA on Christmas day. I never really paid much attention to it because it's just another regular season game out of the 81 games that they already play or 82 games they already play. So to me, not that exciting. I'm with you Christmas, Christmas movies we're on all day.

Nick (05:01)
Yeah,

I didn't watch any NBA. Now back in the day when it was Jordan and the Bulls, yeah, I would have watched it, but it's a little different now. If the Bulls would have played, I probably would have watched it because that's really the only NBA I watch until it gets later in the year, unless it's late in the game. I'll probably turn it on and watch the end of it if it's close, but nope, not a lot of sports on Christmas. Spin it. Watching Christmas movies, the classics, all of them on our top eight list, except for the new Grinch. We didn't have any Grinches.

on our list, is, I guess could be seen as controversial. And then we watch Home Alone the night before. And I guess, are we going to try to do that? Are we prepared for it? To break down who got it worse, Harry or Marvin, Home Alone one?

Neil (05:46)
yeah,

yeah, we gotta get into that. Yeah.

Nick (05:48)
So we can close with that in the best of 2025. But I think we've got to start with the college football playoff. Starts on New Year's Eve with Miami, Ohio State. Do the Hurricanes have a chance to pull off the upset? Or do you want to start off ranking our upsets? You want to go through every game? How you want to?

Neil (06:05)
Yeah.

Yeah, well, can, I we'll go through every game, but I think ranking the possibility of upsets is a good way to go about it. And if we're talking about this one, the first game of the playoff in Miami of Ohio State, I put that as the least likely upset of all four games. I just don't think that Miami really has much of a chance. Ohio State's favored by nine and a half. ⁓ You know, just watching Miami in Texas A Miami defense is pretty good, but.

their offenses, I don't know if they're gonna score a point against this Ohio State defense. So I just don't think the hurricanes have it in them. Michael Irvin is gonna be a little disappointed ⁓ come midnight, rolling into 2026 with a loss. no, don't see the hurricanes having much of a shot at this one.

Nick (06:59)
Okay, and I guess this is a good way to start it. You've got the Hurricanes as the least likely to pull off an upset in the first round. I've got a different game that I think is least likely for an upset. I'm going with Ole Miss over Georgia. I mean, we've already seen this game before. Ole Miss led, 30? It was a good game. It was a good game. Ole Miss led 35-26 going into the fourth quarter. Neither team punted until, I think, the 12-13 minute mark in the fourth quarter.

Neil (07:06)
Yeah.

It was a good game. It was a competitive game.

Nick (07:30)
⁓ I don't see this happening again. I think Georgia's improved since, you know, since the team they were at the beginning of season where they were coming from behind to win every game. ⁓ They've only given up 29 points combined in their last four. You know, Ole Miss, I know they got the win with Pete Golding as their head coach in the opening round against Tulane.

They gave up 410 yards to Tulane. I know they didn't get in the end zone, but Tulane was able to move the football. I just think this is going to be a totally different game than the one we saw earlier in the season. So I've got Ole Miss beating Georgia as my least likely, and then I'd probably go Miami over Ohio State as my third least likely upset. I will say this, Miami's defense is really good.

Neil (08:19)
They are very good. Yes, they are good.

Nick (08:21)
I mean, Ohio State without question has the best defense in college football, both scoring defense wise and total defense. But Miami ranks 10th in yards per game and fourth in points per game. They've only allowed 13 points a game. We saw what they did against Texas A really limiting them and really just kind of turned an ugly game. I think the weather played a little bit of a factor. When Ohio State has faced good defenses like we just saw against Indiana.

Neil (08:28)
Yeah.

to solve against Indiana.

Yeah.

Nick (08:51)
They didn't put up a ton of points. They didn't put up a ton of points against Texas. I still think Ohio State wins this game. But I look at that, the under, I am definitely taking the under in that game. ⁓ Because I just think it's gonna be, both these defenses are really good.

Neil (08:58)
Yeah.

No, mean, you're not wrong. It most likely will be a low scoring affair. Like you said, when Ohio State's faced a good defense, like we just saw at Indiana, they didn't really do much. And they don't give up a lot of points. mean, just looking back through their scores, SMU put up 26 on them, Louisville put up 24. Other than that, really, those are the two highest scoring offenses that they've allowed points to.

I mean, it's it'll be a low scoring game, but I think Ohio State just is the better team. ⁓ With a better coach, better team, better coach. I think that they probably they find a way to do it. They've been here before.

Nick (09:41)
I do too, and that's why I'm taking them.

⁓ It's and it's

40 and a half. I think that's a lot of points for this matchup. So.

Neil (09:52)
Yeah,

I mean, you're looking at like a 20, 21, 20-ish type of game. But yeah, I think it goes under that. Probably like a 14 to 10, 17, 10, something like that maybe.

Nick (10:03)
Yeah, I do think Miami I think will try to run the ball more than it did against Texas A &M. I think they kind of found that rhythm in the second half. So look for them to really try to establish Mark Fletcher. Look for Ohio State to try to establish the ground game too, which will get the clock rolling, play into that. Get that under making it even more possible. But I've got Ohio State winning. I think it's gonna be a low scoring affair. But that is my third least likely upset. What's your third least likely?

Neil (10:29)
Yeah, we've just flip-flopped my three and four and your three and four. I would say that Ole Miss beating Georgia is the third least likely ⁓ thing to occur. Basically for the same reasons that you said that they're the overall least likely. Those same reasons I put them at three.

Nick (10:47)
Okay, so you're second least likely.

Neil (10:49)
Secondly, I'm gonna go with Alabama over Indiana. I actually do think that it's, the seven point spread I think is too high. ⁓ I'm concerned about this game, to be honest with you. I'm concerned about this, it's Alabama, they've been on this stage before. They've proven this year they can win big games. They've beaten several ranked teams, they've won at Georgia. This year they just went into a good Oklahoma ⁓ on the road and beat them in round one.

So Alabama, they're coming off, playing a game in the last two weeks. Indiana's been off for a month. I don't know if that hurts or helps, but Alabama's ready. I'm a little nervous about this one.

Nick (11:32)
Well, you brought up a good point, I think, with being off. And last year we saw all the teams that got by lose. And look, we changed the rules and I think that's gonna play role. We're not gonna see that again. But how much of a factor did that play into the fact that all the teams that didn't get a chance to play lost? And I think that could be to Alabama's advantage. And I think you have to go this one.

Neil (11:40)
Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

Nick (12:02)
At number two, I really thought about trying to move this one to number one, because I just think Indiana is that much better than Alabama.

Neil (12:13)
Yeah, mean, you trust in Kurt Signetti. He always has the Hoosiers ready to play. ⁓ So I use defense, I think we'll probably shut down Indiana's offense. don't know ⁓ if Alabama's gonna be able to move the ball and put up points on a defense like this.

Nick (12:29)
I don't think

they would. How much will losing Steven Daley affect if you're losing your leading tackle for loss, your leading sax guy? I mean, I know Indiana is really good, are they as deep as some of these other contenders that are always in the mix? He was already there, had replaced what Kellen Wyatt who went out earlier in the year that was supposed to start at that spot and Daley comes in.

Neil (12:36)
Yeah.

Nick (12:58)
Will that be an issue? And that's maybe another reason why I've got it at number two.

Neil (13:00)
Yeah.

I'm expecting a good game.

Nick (13:06)
Here's, I think they cover.

I think they cover if you make me pick one or the other. I just I know Alabama was down 17 against an Oklahoma team, which I don't know how good they've been in the second half of the season.

Neil (13:11)
Okay.

Nick (13:20)
Indiana has proven it all year long that against inferior teams, they are just gonna put it on you. And as wild as it is to say, I think Alabama is an inferior team. So give me Alabama in the points and there was a big part of me that wanted to put this as my least likely upset. But the more and more I look at this game, and I'm gonna lean Texas Tech, and I think people are kind of,

Neil (13:26)
click on you.

Nick (13:49)
not giving Texas Tech probably the respect that they deserve. The fact that they are two and a half point dogs. mean, Texas Tech comes in this game, we've talked about Ohio State's defense, right? We've talked about Miami's defense, we've talked about Indiana's defense. Texas Tech's defense ranks third in total defense and scoring defense in the country. Now, did they face some of the great offices in the Big 12? Maybe not. But

mean, they put a lot of money in that front seven. They've been good all year in Oregon's games where they face great defenses. What they scored 13 points on offense, I'm not counting the pick six against IU and they scored 16 points against Iowa. And this is another game where the over under 51. Give me the under because I think these are two great teams. think.

It could come down to who's better at the end, Dante Moore or Baron Morton. In that case, I would probably lean Dante Moore because I think he's a better quarterback. But Morton's also a fifth year guy that's been at Texas Tech for all five years that wants to win for that school. I think this is going to be really fun game. My bet would be the under. I'll take Texas Tech, but I mean, this really is kind of a coin flip.

Neil (15:12)
I'm a little surprised that Oregon's favored. When you look at the Big 10 and the Big 12, Oregon's probably faced better competition than what Texas Tech has faced. Like you said, you're giving all the credit to Texas Tech's defense, and that they're ranked third, as you should, but their offense can also put up points. I you're just looking at their last couple of games. They put up 34 on BYU, 49 on West Virginia, 48 on Central Florida.

43 on Kansas State, 42 on Oklahoma. They're scoring in the high 30s and 40s, game in and game out. And they are just absolutely blowing out teams. They had that one loss at Arizona State, and they went through the year. But other than that, they haven't had a close game. I mean, it's just been blowout city, nonstop. So yeah, their defense is ranked third, and they're not giving up a lot of points, a lot of yards, but their offense can light up the scoreboard a little bit.

Nick (15:59)
Yeah, no, I think Barry Morton has been really good. And in an era where we don't see a lot of quarterbacks that hang around for five years with the same program. I mean, he's thrown, hadn't thrown for a ton of yards, 2,600 yards, but 22 touchdowns or four picks. I mean, he's not gonna be drafted as high as Dante Moore, but that doesn't always matter in these games, right? ⁓ So I don't know.

Are you laying in Texas Tech to win?

Neil (16:30)
Yes, Texas Tech to win outright. That's why I have that, since they are under-Docs, is my ⁓ number one choice for upset.

Nick (16:40)
So we all went shock here.

Neil (16:43)
Yeah. Which, with the way that they changed the playoff, I mean that's not uncommon. I think a lot of people would probably have chalk here.

Nick (16:45)
this.

Yeah, I mean, so just skip the 12 game playoffs. Let's just roll straight to this.

Neil (16:57)
I don't know, it'll be a fun weekend or not even a weekend, midweek here with New Year's Eve and New Year's Day. So I'm looking forward to it. We'll be out watching the IU game and that Rose Bowl and cheering on the Hoosiers and hopefully they keep this thing rolling.

Nick (17:13)
Do you like to set up being New Year's Eve and New Year's Day?

Neil (17:16)
Yes, absolutely. I mean, you're keeping, you're basically, keeping the Rose Bowl. The Rose Bowl is always a New Year's Day game. So you're keeping the tradition of the Rose Bowl being there. And nobody's working on New Year's Day. So, you know, loaded up with some great college football games, three straight, you know, it's a full day. Why not? I mean, I think that's absolutely perfect.

Nick (17:36)
And look, you're not going to too hammered to watch the game on New Year's Eve night at 730 when it starts. Now, the end might get a little fuzzy if it's close. But no, I love this setup. The triple header on New Year's Day with these three big games. Now, the other bowl games that are happening that day kind of get lost, but that's where we are now with this new setup.

Neil (17:55)
Are there others?

Are there other actual bowl games happening that day? I don't know.

Nick (18:00)
I would assume there are. mean, used to be the

biggest... Do you not think there's any?

Neil (18:04)
I think they probably pushed it to the second, would be my guess.

Nick (18:06)
I mean,

I obviously probably should have looked this up ahead of time,

Neil (18:09)
Let me, I can pull it up real quick here. I don't think that there are other bowl games that day. And if there are.

Nick (18:14)
Which would be just

absolutely wild considering that January 1st is the day for bowl games.

Neil (18:22)
A lot of games New Year's Eve during the day. A lot of games New Year's Eve during the day, just three. Yep, those are the only. Then we get back at it with four games on January 2nd. So yeah, they clear the way. They clear the way for the college football playoff as they should.

Nick (18:24)
No, I think you're right. Yeah.

I mean, back

in the day, what, 10, 15 games?

Neil (18:41)
Well, let me ask, right, but let me ask you, if you're Cheez-Its and you're sponsoring a game, you'd be like, I'm not playing on New Year's Day against these three games. Like if I'm a sponsor of a bowl game, I'm refusing my bowl game to be on a college football going up against college football playoffs.

Nick (18:44)
No, there's no way you're gonna get... Yes.

No,

It makes subtle sense. It makes subtle sense. I guess the last question before we move on, you already talked about Michael Irvin saying he's gonna whip the Ohio State jersey with this belt. don't really, do we need to go into that? I mean, he took that 12th man jersey and was just going to town on it.

Neil (19:10)
No, he's just a crazy person. love Michael Irvin, but he's crazy.

Nick (19:18)
And then he's like calling Maurice Claret saying he wants him to come to the game. So where's Jersey? So when they lose, he can take it off of him and beat it on the garbage can.

Neil (19:27)
He's an insane human, but I like Michael over. I like his passion for the game.

Nick (19:33)
And he got to do that at College Station as Miami beat Texas A on the road. Should these top four playoff teams, are they getting a disservice for the fact that they don't get to host a home playoff game?

Neil (19:37)
Yeah.

Yeah, no, I think they absolutely are. You know, they've earned it. They've earned at least some sort of advantage. ⁓ That is the advantage some, I actually might think it could be technically maybe a disadvantage, but.

Nick (19:55)
Well, there are advantages to buy.

It's

not, you get a free ⁓ pass.

Neil (20:05)
You do get a free pass. But no, that is the advantage. no, if you're doing the first round at home sites, I think these teams, the best of the best, deserve a chance to play in front of their home fans. Could you imagine IU and Alabama and Bloomington, Indiana, and how much that would be in the atmosphere that that would bring?

Nick (20:20)
Well, well,

and a lot of people are talking about how they think Alabama is going to win. I don't if it's in Bloomington, I don't think as many people are saying that.

Neil (20:29)
No, exactly. you're not getting the home field advantage, but then again if you do that, then there's no rose bowl, there's no sugar bowl, there's no cotton bowl, there's no these...

Nick (20:39)
Well,

is there another way to fix that? Is that you just move those back to four non-playoff games, give them to somebody else, and then, and then...

Neil (20:42)
What's that?

You're gonna watch... You're gonna watch...

You're gonna watch Iowa versus...

Nick (20:56)
I'm not say- I'm not say-

Neil (20:58)
like Iowa versus Washington in the Rose Bowl.

Nick (21:00)
Well, would you rather that be the case and there not be home games like there is now? I just think if you go into this round with them all four being home games, the atmospheres are gonna be crazy. I mean, it's gonna be 50-50 at most of these venues close to it. The atmosphere will be fine. But if you got Alabama at IU,

I mean, just think about that environment. And Texas Tech would get such an advantage over Oregon. I, yeah. So basically you're taking four bowl games, you're moving them out of the playoff, you're giving them to whatever you said, like Iowa or Washington or whatever. Nobody's watching these things anyways, which is this is why Orange Bowl and the Cotton Bowl are gonna be like, no, don't do it because.

Neil (21:23)
No, it'll be... Yeah, and then go back to the...

Yeah. Ohio State, Miami, and yeah, I mean, yeah.

Nick (21:51)
Not as many people, not as many eyes are gonna be on it. So it's probably not gonna happen. Money, it is money. But it would be really cool if these games were hosted at home venues. And then you move in and then you keep the semis in the championship the same.

Neil (21:52)
Awesome.

money my guy they're not having there's too much money too much money

Unless you just rename, unless you-

Would you

just still put the sponsorship and all that and call it the Cotton Bowl, but just the Cotton Bowl is being played in Columbus, Ohio this year?

Nick (22:16)
No. You can't. you're gonna put the Rose Bowl in Bloomington. No, you can't do that.

Neil (22:16)
You can't call it the Goodyear Cotton Bowling.

Well the Rose Bowl, to me the Rose Bowl is like the top of the top. One of the top bowls. Like that should be always be, cause you're gonna go back to neutral sites in the semis. So just have the Rose Bowl be a semi-final, permanent semi-final matchup. And then the Cotton Bowl.

Nick (22:35)
That's fine. what? I mean, there used to

be a big four. They used to be a big four. It was the orange, the sugar, the fiesta and the rose. So.

Neil (22:42)
Correct. So put the Cotton

Bowl in Columbus, put the Peach Bowl in Bloomington or whatever, and then, know... I you still can keep three out of the four. You can keep three out of the four, as they are, in neutral sites, because you have three neutral site games for the semis and the finals. You just... one of them...

Nick (22:53)
I mean, you could potentially do that.

or you

just, the peach and the cotton go back to what they were, they're out of the playoff. You run your four quarters at home venues, the sugar, the cotton, or the sugar, the fiesta, the orange and the rose alternate every year who gets the playoff. And then you roll to the national championship.

Neil (23:21)
Yeah.

Fine with me. No, I'm all for it. I'm all for these things posting. But it's not gonna help.

Nick (23:26)
I just don't, but you're right, it's not gonna happen

because of money.

Neil (23:32)
But if you go to a 16 team, which I think is probably coming down the pike at some point, nobody gets a bye. And then IU would be hosting a first round playoff game. in a year like this, it'd be like James Madison that they'd be hosting instead of Alabama. But there will be a time where these top four teams will probably end up hosting a game because there will be no more buys on a 16 team playoff.

Nick (23:54)
I mean, everything is always going to expand. So you don't need to expand it. You don't need to.

Neil (24:01)
I think it's coming though, don't you?

Nick (24:03)
I think it's

coming, but we always got to change stuff.

Neil (24:07)
Well, you have ADs crying on television and... Don't disagree. Don't disagree.

Nick (24:11)
Tell your teams to be better. Don't lose games.

Anything else on the playoff?

Neil (24:18)
Nope, just looking forward to it. We'll talk about it again next week.

Nick (24:23)
Michigan's got a new coach.

Neil (24:25)
They do. They got a good one too.

Nick (24:26)
Yeah, he retired a couple of weeks ago, which still is just kind of odd to me. we looked it up, 34 years at Utah, 21 years as a head coach, has had a ton of success there, really has just kind of built that program. But he retired before this Michigan job opens up.

Neil (24:30)
Yup.

Yeah?

Nick (24:51)
And I guess he really wasn't sure if I think he was content with being done coaching.

Neil (24:57)
Yeah, mean there wasn't really, he just kind of just stepped down and there wasn't, there was no controversy around it. It wasn't like he was in trouble for anything or you know, there wasn't any health issues that we knew of going on or anything like that. He was just kind of burnt out, is what it seemed like, and he was just ready to move on. I guess when a job like Michigan comes calling, you pick up that phone.

Nick (25:17)
Yeah, he's what, 65 years old, I think, close to that. So he's not going to be there for 20 years, I wouldn't think. Went to back to back Rose Bowles at Utah in 21 and 22. Lost them both. Career record there is 177 and 88. So has had a ton of success and.

Neil (25:25)
Thanks.

He's won two Pac-12 titles. He's won a Mountain West title. He's 10 and 2 this year. They were ranked 15th. I mean, you get a quality coach like that this late in the coaching carousel season because, you know, like everybody else has already claimed their guys and you're kind of looking around of like who's left and you got a guy that's coaching the number 15 ranked team in the country. That's, that doesn't have a job. So yeah, I don't think you're paying a buyout. To me, I don't think you're paying a buyout.

Nick (25:59)
that doesn't have a job.

You aren't? No, I mean, you're retired.

don't get down.

Neil (26:06)
That's

what I'm saying. So kind of just fell in their lap almost and that's a great pickup.

Nick (26:11)
But when he took the Michigan job, he said he wasn't sure if he was finished coaching or not. He knew he had a lot of left in the tank. Could count on one hand the number of jobs he'd be receptive to. Michigan, obviously, I would say is one of those schools. And now he's there. look, Michigan, you're in a tough spot. You lose your coach, like you said, after most of the coaching carousel was over. You got this guy who's had success for over 20 years, and now he's doing it in a big, powerful conference.

Neil (26:23)
Mm-hmm.

Nick (26:41)
I mean, there may be, is there a little bit of concern that the fact that he was content to retire, maybe a little bit. But as an athletic director, when you're doing the interviews, mean, I think that's a hundred percent something you talk about. look, dude, you just, you just basically retired a couple of weeks ago. Are you sure you want to jump back into this? And obviously got an answer that was.

Neil (27:00)
And I...

Nick (27:03)
you know, made it worth giving him the job.

Neil (27:04)
Satisfactory. Yeah,

I mean as you mentioned he's 66 years old. ⁓ He did just step away. to me, I don't know if this is a long term solution for Michigan. Is this just the stop gap to get you through, you know, maybe the next four five years? Hopefully, you know, he wins some games, maybe try to get you to the couple of Big Ten Championships or compete for a national championship. And then, you know, once you get to the height of the pinnacle again, you move on. So.

There was just like there to me there was a lot of options out there. He was available I think it could be like a short-term couple year solution. He's 66 years old so it's definitely probably not a long-term solution Then you see what the next big thing is here in a couple years

Nick (27:47)
Yeah, that would be my only concern. The fact that he had already retired, I mean, he's got the credentials. You've got a guy in there who is going to be excited to come in and see what he can do. I think you're getting 10 years, I would say at the most.

Neil (28:02)
I don't even know if he's gonna go tiny. Like I said, I think it's more of like a five, four, five year solution engine. Is that the level? Yeah, all right.

Nick (28:04)
That's it.

That's why I said it the most. ⁓

But I mean, I've talked to some Michigan people and they're really excited about this hire.

Neil (28:16)
I don't see why they wouldn't be, What's our boy T-Bone think?

Nick (28:20)
I

he was excited. He was excited. I mean, were they ever sold on Shronmore? I don't know.

Yeah, but I mean the fact that you lose your coach after almost everybody's hired coaches and you're able to get a gala at that quality, I think is a win regardless of the fact whether you don't know if he wants to retire or not.

Neil (28:40)
No, it's an A plus higher in my mind, absolutely.

Nick (28:45)
We were in Sensei on Sunday.

Neil (28:49)
Yup.

Nick (28:51)
It was 60 degrees warmer than it was two weeks prior.

Neil (28:56)
So you did not have to scrape ice and snow off your seat this week.

Nick (28:59)
No ice on the seats. We did get to sing the Bengal's fight song.

Neil (29:06)
We did. Several.

Nick (29:06)
Several times, five

times to be exact as the Bengals kind of look like the team that a lot of Bengals fans hope that they'd look like all year putting it on in a figure of team 37 to 14 as they just, I mean, wax the Arizona Cardinals.

Neil (29:26)
I mean, was, yeah,

I mean, it wasn't close. was, you know, as a Bengals fan, one of the more fun games that we've been to, we come off the most miserable game of our lives and get to enjoy 65 degrees sunny weather in late December and watch our team go up 30 on the Cardinals. And are the Cardinals an inferior opponent? Absolutely, but.

you do what you're supposed to do to inferior opponents and that's just absolutely kick their butts and the Bengals did it in every phase of the game. mean, offensively, they threw the ball well. Joe Burrow at 305 yards, two touchdowns, no picks. The running game was going. Chase Brown over a hundred yards, got in the end zone twice. I mean, we're out there. It was going so well that we started throwing out routes to our 325 pound offensive lineman and watching him chug down the field for 21 yards. So.

Nick (30:11)
Yeah.

Neil (30:17)
It was fun, the defense played well. mean, was overall was fun. We saw Shamar Stewart get his first NFL career sack on Sunday. things were going well in all phases of the game. So it was a lot of fun. ⁓ Just wish that it meant something, but you know.

Nick (30:33)
It means momentum for the next season, which you get tired of hearing that crap, don't you? But we were walking into the stadium and we knew that Jamar Chase hadn't scored since October. And you knew that Joe was gonna try to get in the ball and get him in the end zone. So hit me a little first, first, first, first, first, first,

Neil (30:37)
Stop it. No. Stop it. Stop it.

Yeah.

Yep.

Good for you.

Nick (30:57)
I mean, but yeah, mean, Joe Burrow, think had one incompletion on passes where he wasn't under pressure. So and he had a clean pocket pretty much the whole game. The offensive line has been as good as it's been.

Neil (30:57)
That was a great move.

It's been really good. mean,

Uncle Steve sent us that graphic this morning on the O-line grades from like the past six weeks and all of them are ranked up in the top 15, most of them in the top 15, top 20 in the NFL in their positions. So it's been really, really, really good. Their second overall, I think in the last six games on their pass protection numbers. So I would not touch the, I would bring all those guys back.

I wouldn't really touch the offense at all, be honest with you.

Nick (31:43)
No, don't,

I mean, you got to, you got to resign Dalton Reisner, but I think there's mutual interest and I think that'll get done. But yeah, overall the defense was, continues to look better. I mean, I know Arizona isn't the best offense in the NFL, but they've scored some points this year. And other than that one play to Michael Wilson where we forgot, the Bengals forgot how to tackle and look like what they've looked like all year. Just brutal.

Neil (32:06)
you

That's Gino's thumb.

Yeah.

Nick (32:12)
I mean you

see the still pictures with five defenders around him. He's and that doesn't count the sideline which would be a six defender and He somehow finds a way to score I Mean Dax Hill was was good yesterday DJ Turner continues to be good. The linebackers played better still not great, but they played better just

Neil (32:19)
Yeah.

Yep.

We

got a good pass rush. mean, how would he end up with three, four sacks, I think, defensively?

Nick (32:39)
Yeah, but

I think that's good, but I think a lot of that has to do with the coverage too. ⁓ So look, I just don't want to get into this, hey, positive momentum, everything stays the same. And that's the route they're on right now. And I think it's week 17, there's six and 10. I mean,

Neil (32:44)
Yeah.

That's what's happened the last several years and that's, nope.

Nick (33:05)
I have lost all confidence in the fact that there's going to be any changes to the coaching staff or to the front office. So now my full commitment is just make moves in the off season. Like go sign a veteran at the first, at the first level, the second level and the third level. Use Trey's money to go, go sign people because Duke's going to be there. told Al Golden's going to be there and Zach's going to be there.

Neil (33:33)
I... That's... I can't take that.

Nick (33:39)
But you got to do like they did at the beginning of the Zack Taylor era where you're going to get, you're signing Larry Ogunjobis, you're signing DJ Readers, you're signing Owuzie A's, you're signing Who Else Am I Leaving Out, Ron Bell, you're signing Mike Hilton. These are the signings that they, this is the off season where it has to happen. And-

Neil (33:51)
Yeah. Bonbo. Yeah. Mike Hilton. Yeah.

But who's

gonna put the pressure on the front office to do that? That's where I think the players need to get involved.

Nick (34:10)
I there should be pressure. You've not gone to the postseason three years in a row. Do you need more pressure than that?

Neil (34:15)
There wasn't one closer last

year. Yeah, there wasn't last year. Not in year before.

Nick (34:18)
Well, they thought they

could fix it with our new defensive coordinator.

Neil (34:22)
Like

you made it to the Super Bowl, then you go to the AFC title game, and then all of a sudden you can't even make the playoffs for three straight years? Like, people are okay with that? Like, what are we doing? You're wasting Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and T Higgins and Chase Brown. You're wasting one of the greatest offenses, if not, it probably is the greatest offense in Bengals history. you're it.

Nick (34:42)
Well, and now you've accompanied that

with an offensive line that is not one of the worst in the NFL.

Neil (34:47)
You got us,

but you can't score 40 points and lose like they have this year. They scored 40 points and lost this year. They scored 38 points and lost. Right, you can't. If I'm Joe Burrow, I'm going to the front office and I'm basically forcing their hand.

Nick (34:54)
We've talked about that record when everybody else is like.

Well, do you not think he's doing that? And I mean, he did it last year with T, with Jamar, with Tre. No, he got Tre back. But this year you're not bringing Tre back.

Neil (35:05)
I don't know.

He got his offensive weapons. He got his offensive weapons. He got trade back in four games.

No, but I would franchise him and trade him.

Nick (35:19)
I mean, I would love that, I don't trust them to do it effectively. Like just take his $35 million and split that into the three players, one at each level. And continue to hope that Miles Murphy continues to get better. That Shemar Stewart continues to get better. TJ Slaton's back again next year. was- ⁓

Neil (35:32)
Yeah.

some more students.

Was. O size of free agent, I think.

Osia free agent.

Nick (35:48)
OSI is a free agent, but I mean, you could potentially bring him back. But if you don't, if you're not gonna do anything with the staff or the front office, you've got to improve the personnel on defense. And if they don't do that, they don't care.

Neil (35:59)
Well, Geno Stone, if

Geno Stone is on this roster in 2026, I'm not going to a game. I will not go to a single game if Geno Stone is on the roster. If Dax Hill is on my roster, I will not go to a single game. If Dax Hill is a starter on this defense, I might not go to a single game. Or not Dax Hill, sorry. Cam Taylor Britt. Cam Taylor Britt is on my roster, sorry, if he's on my roster.

Nick (36:05)
He will not be on the roster.

I promise you, he will not be the last to.

If what?

Well, Dexel has been really good once they moved into the outside. Well,

here's the thing. Cam might be on the roster, but it won't be as a starter. And it'll be because they've got him pretty cheap because nobody else is offering him a contract. So that shouldn't be the reason that you're not a fan next year. But you do not want him to be one of your starting corners.

Neil (36:28)
You better not start.

⁓ no.

Nick (36:45)
We already got into the Christmas Day games. They were all just pretty bad, so we don't need to get into that. The Texans, what, how many in a row they've won now? There are 11 and five, they've won.

Neil (36:58)
Eight. think they want eight

in a row.

Nick (37:01)
Eight in a row.

Neil (37:02)
Yeah, Jacksonville and a W7. I think they keep winning, but so does Jacksonville. They can't actually ever catch up.

Nick (37:09)
Yeah, the Colts go on three with Philip Rivers and now they just announced that he will not start and we did.

⁓ But I guess the story of this week was the Steelers had a chance to clinch the AFC North. All they had to do was beat the Browns who had three wins on the year and they couldn't do it.

Neil (37:33)
It's unbelievable. I mean that's you would think is a as a Steelers fan I mean, I know DK Medcalf was suspended but It's the Cleveland Browns like I don't understand what The issue is with the Steelers and the Browns But it's they just seem to be the Browns seem to be the Steelers kryptonite

Nick (37:51)
Yeah, they've lost what? in a row ⁓ in Cleveland.

Neil (37:58)
That's just crazy. I I showed you the Mike Tomlin stat, right? The Steelers are winless in their last five games, so they're 0-4-1 in their last five games when they play a team that is eight games or more below 500. That's 0-4-1 in their last five against teams that are eight games or more below 500.

Nick (38:00)
But yeah, you've got-

What is it?

And look, there's been talk about Mike Tomlin being on the hot seat in Pittsburgh. And then two weeks ago, it looks like they're in a perfect position to, to Clint City AFC North. And then they go and do that.

Neil (38:36)
I mean, I don't know if he should be on the hot seat because the man just continues to win and have winning seasons every single year, including this one. But if you somehow lose at home next week to one of your most hated rivals, if not the most hated rival, Baltimore Ravens, to lose the division and lose out on the playoffs in a year that the AFC North has been absolutely pretty bad. I it's been pretty bad.

Lamar's been hurt, the Ravens aren't the normal Ravens, the Bengals aren't the normal Bengals, the Browns are still the Browns, and you choke that away. I mean, I don't think he should be on the hot seat because, like I said, he wins, but that's gonna be tough to stomach in the off season.

Nick (39:13)
Well, ravens are favorite.

and the momentum's on their side.

Neil (39:17)
They might be with or without Lamar. And they played well without Lamar.

Nick (39:20)
and

they did. mean here's the thing with the Ravens what a concept. What a concept. Like for real like what a concept.

Neil (39:26)
hand the ball to Derek Henry.

Where's it

been? Where's it all been?

Nick (39:36)
⁓ But yeah, if the Ravens figure out a way to win this division and I mean, like I said, their favorite next week, it'll be with the fact that Lamar has missed as many games as he had and when he's played he hasn't looked even close to what Lamar were accustomed to seeing.

Neil (39:51)
No.

And they were what, one in five to start the year?

Nick (39:55)
Yeah,

I mean, and there's been a lot of talk about will Harbaugh or will Lamar not be back next year? I mean, if they figure out a way to win the division this year, I know the division's down and that plays a factor. But I mean, you got to give them some credit for that.

Neil (40:06)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, wouldn't be surprised if the Ravens lose on Sunday if Harbaugh is not there going into next year. But like you said, if they find a way to win the division, then all of sudden they're hosting a playoff game. And anything can happen when you're home field advantage in the NFL playoffs, so they probably may or may not be favored in that, depending on who they're playing.

Nick (40:44)
I don't think the AFC North team is going to be favored regardless of who they play in the playoffs. Yeah.

Neil (40:48)
Do they play the 5-seat?

It could be Buffalo. Or it could be... Yeah. Yeah.

Nick (40:54)
But

I mean, the NFL got what they wanted and that game's immediately Sunday night.

Neil (40:58)
Yeah.

Yep.

Nick (41:02)
And then you got the Bucks and the Panthers on Saturday afternoon for the division. If the Panthers win, they do what?

Neil (41:05)
which the Bucks are now, nope, the Bucks are out.

The Bucks are eliminated after the win last night by Atlanta. So the Bucks cannot win the division.

Nick (41:17)
Is that okay? I was reading earlier today that if the Bucks won, they wanted a vision. if they, or the, the Panthers have to win to clinch it. Is it over?

Neil (41:23)
They needed the fountains for years.

It is...

They might well, no, well, let's see 7-9. It's not the Falcons. If the Falcons win, if the Falcons win on...

Nick (41:37)
Yeah, the Falcons can't win it.

Neil (41:41)
Sunday, I think the bucks are out.

Nick (41:44)
Yes, so the Panthers win they're in. If the Bucks win, they need the Falcons to lose. Yeah.

Neil (41:48)
Yes, correct. So they

don't technically control their own destiny. Because they do need... Correct. And then they need other help. Instead of it just being a straight up... Yeah, instead of it being...

Nick (41:53)
But after when do you have a chance?

Yeah, and that's

because the Falcons are now seven to nine overall and four and one on prime time games. As they went up 21 nothing and held on to beat the, well, didn't held on, they got a late fill up to beat the Rams. Now I've lost two in a row.

Neil (42:15)
Yeah.

Nick (42:16)
the $40 Bears game on Sunday night.

was probably the game of the week. we were looking, like the Bears have been down, that's a two minute warning in almost every game. And they always figure out a way to win. And it looked like it was gonna happen again. But Brock Pardee and the Niners, man, they look legit.

Neil (42:35)
They're good, put up 42 points. ⁓ Yeah, no, they are good. They're, what are they in third now in the division, or second in the division? Yep, they're 12 and four. Yeah, they need a win and a Seattle loss. I mean, that's incredible. That's incredible.

Nick (42:44)
They can still win the division.

Yeah. They could be the onesie.

Yeah, the Niners could be the onesie if everything plays out right next week.

Neil (42:58)
I mean,

yeah, they've got the second fewest losses, yeah, in the league. Yeah, no, that would be incredible. I mean, that's a great job out there ⁓ by San Francisco. I mean, it's a team that we haven't really talked about. All these West Coast, I mean, it's been Seahawks and Rams, Seahawks and Rams, Seahawks and Rams, and we've kind of on the 49ers. I mean, we haven't really ranked them high in our weekly top tens, but this week, I think that they'll be up there.

Nick (43:28)
Well, do you want to start that right now?

Neil (43:30)
We can, yeah.

She's got the first pick.

Nick (43:32)
I

I think I've got the first pick and I I think you got to go to the other team in the NFC West, the Seahawks.

Neil (43:42)
Yeah, no, I would agree with that. I mean, I've had them in my top, either my top pick or second pick for like the last several weeks. So I mean, they're the only team in the league with, no, no, there's one other team. are two other teams. So they're tied for the NFL lead with only three losses. ⁓ But they're playing in probably the toughest division in the NFL. And I would put them in one as well. Number two, this is hard. This This is hard.

Nick (44:08)
Yeah, I did.

Neil (44:10)
I I would have maybe have said Buffalo until they lose to the Eagles at home and then you know you're sitting there looking at the Broncos at 13 and 3 and never really been a big believer in the Broncos but you know they just lost it home to Jacksonville two weeks ago. Golly. We just talked about the 49ers. I guess I'll go New England Patriots at number two at 13 and 3.

leaders in the ⁓ actually now they're the division winners since buffalo lost so division winning new england patriots i'll put them at number two

Nick (44:44)
Yeah, and I mean, Drake May is now the leading candidate to win the MVP, which is just crazy. Dude, I'm going, we haven't talked about it much, but I'm going Niners at third. They've overcome the injuries they've had and are playing the best football they've played all season. Brock Purdy looks incredible. ⁓ Give me the Niners.

Neil (44:49)
crazy.

Next at four I'd go to the Jacksonville Jaguars. They've won seven in a row. Like I said, the Houston Texans have won eight in a row, but can't gain any ground on them. Seven in a row, they had that big win in a pretty dominating fashion in Denver just last weekend. So I would take the Jacksonville Jaguars at 12 and four at the number three spot, or four spot.

Nick (45:30)
Hey, you get a bunch of 11 and five teams here that I would like to pick. But I mean, I just I can't ignore the Broncos at 13 and three at six. I think it would be irresponsible to go somewhere else with that pick.

Neil (45:47)
I don't, I mean, I know they're 13 and 30, but we briefly talked about them and who's playing the best football right now in the NFL. And it's a W8 in Houston. I mean, yeah, I'm going Houston now at number, what are we on, number six? I mean, they're 11 and five, like I said, W8. So we started out three and five, we'll make the playoffs. And that's a team that you don't want to face in the playoffs because they are hot.

Nick (45:54)
dinner.

Is that what you got here?

Six.

Do you trust CJ Shroud?

Neil (46:12)
Enough. I trust them enough. I think they can win.

Nick (46:17)
⁓ Give me the Eagles defending Super Bowl champions. It was between them and the Rams and the Rams a lot of two in a row and the Eagles are defending champs. So I'm going now.

Neil (46:20)
Yeah, that's a good point.

It's hard to trust the Chicago Bears, I know they're 11-5. Yeah, I'll probably go the Rams next. I mean, know they're on an L2, but let's go with the Rams. They almost came back and won that last night in Atlanta. But it's hard to ignore them, 11-5 in the toughest division in football. We'll go Rams.

Nick (46:48)
And I mean, I'm clinging, but I can't not put Josh Allen in the bills on this list. So give me them at nine.

Neil (46:55)
We got the Chargers. I mean, I guess you got to go with another division winner at number 10 with the Chicago Bears. I mean, they showed enough fight in that game against the 49ers were actually thinking. I still can't believe that they're good, but they're better than still. ⁓ Then I give them credit.

Nick (47:15)
They just keep winning games and you

thought it was gonna happen again on Sunday night and it finally doesn't.

Neil (47:21)
mean, they keep surprising me week after week, so maybe it's time we start trusting them a little bit. I'll put them in the top 10.

Nick (47:27)
I mean,

you just look at these Super Bowl odds and it just shows you this season is just so different than maybe any season we've ever seen. The Seattle Seahawks are the number one choice at plus 550.

The Rams are plus 600, the Broncos 800, the Niners are 900. I mean, it's just so wide open.

Neil (47:53)
It's why I mean, yeah, you don't have that dominant Chiefs team or the dominant Patriots team or even the Eagles. We thought might be more dominant than they were this year and they're really not. I mean, if I had to, if I had to pick who I honestly think wins the Superbowl, I'm probably going with the Buffalo Bills still, even though they lost at home. mean, I'd, if I'm Sean McDonough, I don't know why he went for two. Just you had all the momentum in that game against the Eagles.

Nick (48:21)
It's wide

open!

Neil (48:22)
It doesn't matter.

You kick the field goal. You kick the extra point. You go to overtime. You've got all the momentum. You just came back from two scores down at home. I think they have no question when that game in overtime if they would have just trusted it.

Nick (48:37)
Yeah, mean, they're plus 1000 and you're getting Josh Allen who of this group, I think there's no question he's the best quarterback of the group. I mean, maybe Matt Stafford but.

I mean the Niners at plus 900 maybe I Mean you're getting them in a lot better price than the Seahawks and the Rams I mean three out of the top four are all in the same division and the Seahawks are 13 to 3 in that division Which is I mean the Chargers are plus 2,000 the Bears are plus 1,700. I mean Justin Herbert could go on a run

Neil (49:12)
I don't trust that.

Nick (49:13)
I

just, nobody's great. And it goes back to just the Bengals, man, just not ruining your season. I feel like you'd have a chance, even with the defense they have right now. I would think they have a chance.

Neil (49:17)
Mm-mm.

Yeah.

I mean, we did just see them put up zero points against Baltimore, but I mean, that's another team that if they sneak in, it's interesting, is the Baltimore Ravens. That's crazy. They'd be hosting a first round playoff game if they get in. You've got Derrick Henry, who's still one of the best running backs in the league, a decent defense, and a two-time MVP as your quarterback.

Nick (49:34)
Yeah, we did.

plus 2200.

I don't think they're very good, so.

Neil (49:58)
I don't either, but I wouldn't sleep on them. I mean, they had the Patriots on the ropes. They blew that game against the Patriots. And then they go into Green Bay and dominate the Packers.

Nick (50:10)
Yeah, I mean they've looked good the last two weeks. But.

Neil (50:12)
And they kicked our butts and you think that we can beat anybody, so...

Nick (50:16)
I mean, we had the bills on the ropes. had the Patriots, got a chance to beat the Patriots with Joe Flacco. Like, it's just the difference between 10 and 6 and 6 and 10 is so minuscule. And it's just, it's frustrating. Especially when you've got one of the best quarterbacks and one of the best offenses in the league. You just need your defense to be mediocre to not terrible, like mediocre to not good. You just can't be the worst.

Neil (50:18)
I dunno.

I dunno. I dunno.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Nick (50:47)
Be the 24th ranked defense.

Neil (50:49)
I would love to be the 24th ranked defense.

Nick (50:52)
Ugh.

Neil (50:53)
It is what it is, but... No, it'll be a lot of fun this weekend with a couple division races still to be determined. So I'll be tuned in on that Steelers-Ravens game for sure.

Nick (51:03)
And then I guess the transition to College Hoops and all the talk and I think as it probably should be is about Baylor signing James Naji who was drafted by the Detroit Pistons in the 2023 draft with the 31st pick. He was then traded to Boston.

then traded to the Knicks in the trade that involved Carl Antony Townes, Dante DiVincenzo, and Julius Randall in 2024. It traded, included in a trade with All Stars.

And now he's signing with Baylor.

Neil (51:46)
and eligible immediately.

Nick (51:48)
Eligible immediately on top of it can play in the spring semester. Explain it.

Neil (51:55)
I can't. mean, honestly, I can't. you know, a lot of people want to blame Baylor or Scott Drew or, you know, like Louisville and Pat Kelsey took a kid from the G League. There's a couple other kids from the G League that are following that same route, but it's not their fault. I they're playing within the rules. It's just that there are right now doesn't seem to be any rules. Like it doesn't seem to be any rules. There's no.

Nick (52:17)
Doesn't seem to be.

Neil (52:20)
And I think that's what most of these college coaches, Tom Izzo and you've heard John Calipari's comments recently. I think they're more looking at the NCAA for leadership and guidance and there's just nothing there right now. So the NCAA doesn't want to get sued a million times and the easiest way for them to not get sued a million times is to just say you're eligible. It's just gotten out of hand. I I don't see how you can be involved in official league business in the top.

professional league in the world. Like you've been traded in...

and then go back to college.

Nick (52:56)
And

look, and if he's an American born player, he couldn't do this.

He couldn't do this. just looking at it on the surface, makes zero, zero sense. Zero.

Neil (53:11)
Yeah, something

that would never have been, couldn't even imagine it three years ago.

Nick (53:19)
But to their defense, if they're going let you get this guy, and he wants to phone play, and you got the money to pay.

Neil (53:25)
You go get them.

Yeah, I mean, he's never, I mean, he never.

Nick (53:29)
I mean, what did Scott Drew said? I didn't know

they told us he could play, so I'm happy.

Neil (53:33)
Yeah, I mean, he

never played a college game. it's not like, like there's a lot of teams currently that have professional basketball players on their college rosters from, you know, leagues in Germany, leagues in Turkey, leagues in Australia, like all these overseas leagues that these players have played professionally in Greece and et cetera, that have been eligible and have been playing, you know, for a year or two now.

So it's the same type of deal, just the NBA is just looked at as the high, mean as it should be, it's the top of the top, it's the greatest professional league in the world. But there's really no difference between professionals from overseas playing and the American professional league playing. It's the same logic.

Nick (54:05)
You mean it is.

Yeah, I mean, every everything changed, obviously, in 2021. And we knew, I mean, that it was going to kind of be the wild, wild west when the whole NIL thing went into effect. I mean, the whole point was for people to be able to get paid for doing sponsorships and to sign autographs. And they should be able to get paid for that. But now it's just it's blank checks, it's collectives.

Neil (54:43)
Right.

Nick (54:48)
It's, and there's nobody that is regulating anything.

Neil (54:53)
There's no collective bargaining agreement, none of that. it's chaos. these kids, I mean, good for this kid for Baylor, he's probably not getting paid that much. Just what, to get traded from the Bulls to the Clippers or the Wolves or whatever? He's probably, he's gonna go make more playing college basketball than he is as a professional. That's the way most of these kids are that are doing this.

Nick (54:59)
Do they need it?

Yeah, I don't, mean, does college basketball, college football, do they all need individual commissioners? Does there needs to just need to be one commissioner that is right? Like there needs to be some sort of guidelines.

Neil (55:30)
Is, his rights owned?

So like this kid from Baylor, are his rights owned by an NBA team? Like who was he with? The Wolves? No, I know that's what I'm saying. It's like, so if he's good, so the Knicks, okay, so if he's good, if he's good, does he just re-enter the draft? And if you're the Knicks and you're like, hold on now, like you don't just get him. Like, how does it work? How does it work if you've been in league?

Nick (55:37)
He's already been through the draft?

I would say the Knicks have his rights. I don't know for a fact.

This whole thing is just, I don't know. don't,

this what doesn't make any sense.

Neil (56:00)
Well then the NBA, but the NBA has to come out and say something then too. It's like if this kid does come back, like he has to go back to the team that he left. Would be my guess.

Nick (56:10)
Well, and then you're telling me before we get on, didn't even know about this. Trenton Flowers, who's played a game for the Bulls this year, played six games for the Clippers last year, is looking to get back into college hoops.

Neil (56:20)
Yeah, he's averaging two points a game in his two games played this year for the Bulls. He just played on December 7th in an actual NBA game. Eight games total in his career. But he's never played in college. Like all these kids that have come have never played college basketball. And if you're a kid like Flowers or a guy like the guy that we're just talking about that went to Baylor, this is a chance for you to reset.

Nick (56:45)
Naji.

Well, I mean...

Neil (56:50)
Try

to get your prospects back up and then hopefully, you know, the second go around, you actually make it.

Nick (56:57)
Like is a degree even a thought in any of this?

Neil (56:59)
No.

No. Not at all.

Nick (57:02)
It's not even in the thought process.

Neil (57:05)
No, and that's what Calipari's point was, if you have a kid that transfers four different times, is that kid gonna get a degree? It's impossible. It's impossible for you to transfer four different times and have everything transfer over and all your credits match up and this and that, and for you to get a degree. And his point was spot on. It's all about following the money. The college degree does not matter. Nobody's thinking about that. yeah.

Nick (57:15)
100%.

He made a lot of good points.

He did. I mean, let's be fair, like he used to be a way ahead of the game back in the day. And now it's a level playing field. And then you get a little perturbed a little bit, right? But it is unfair to a lot of like somebody was in this spot on Baylor that was gonna get playing time. now you're getting stepped over in the middle of season. And.

Neil (57:54)
No, that's yeah, that's what

it's really hurting. It's hurting a lot of high school kids that aren't getting going to get opportunities to play college basketball that they would have gotten past. Or if they get opportunities, it's going to be at a lesser school.

Nick (58:03)
What?

Yeah, and then the Cal talks about how he's the only idiot that's recruiting high school kids. Because that's what he wants to do, because he loves helping out their families and changing their lives. And how most schools, their chances to go into the NBA is less than 1%. But if you play for me, it's better. And that's why I'm still recruiting college or high school kids. But you can recruit 27, 28 year olds that have already been in the league.

Would you rather have that than an 18 year old? Yes!

Neil (58:38)
So LeBron James never played a minute of college basketball. at 40, whatever age he is that he decides to hang it up, come on, come on back to bring him to college. See what he can do. You imagine LeBron James playing college basketball? Insane.

Nick (58:39)
That's right!

I mean, according to this, can do it. He can do it. I mean,

he could do it. And if we had a little more, like Kyle went on for seven minutes and had a bunch of ideas. I'd like to break them down a little more in detail because I do think he had, like, if you get five years to play four seasons, I agree with that 100%. And I love the idea of the fact that you go to the same school for four years, then you get a fifth year.

Neil (59:13)
Yeah, I agree too.

Nick (59:21)
Like I love that because that's what I miss the most about college hoops is the continuity and getting to see players grow from freshmen to the senior year with the same staff, know, limiting transfers. I think that should be the case. Now, if your coach leaves, then that grants you maybe another one. But if you leave twice with the coach not leaving, then you have to sit out like you used to. There needs to be some sort of rule. Also,

Neil (59:26)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

There needs to be guidance, rules, guidance, yes.

Nick (59:50)
Pick NIL or pick Transfer Portal. Maybe you don't get both. You signed with the team out of high school, three-year commitment.

Neil (59:58)
I mean, think you can write, I mean, you should be able to write those into NIL contracts. They're not, I know they're not, but they should. But this kid may not sign that because he doesn't want to be restricted like that. if you're looking for a $4 million deal or a $3 million deal, you can sign it. We'll give it to you. But you need to be here for three years.

Nick (1:00:03)
But they're not doing it.

Yeah. I mean, we've seen kids sign deals and not play at all.

Neil (1:00:23)
I

Yeah.

Nick (1:00:26)
I mean, it's just when there's no rules. When there's no rules.

I don't know. It's just, it's, and this is going to continue to happen. It's going to get, continue to get it more wild. ⁓

Neil (1:00:37)
And ⁓

you're going to start losing those all-time great coaches like we have. mean, think that's probably part it. Yeah, like Roy Williams got out of the game, and Mike Trashefsky got out of the game. ⁓

Nick (1:00:44)
What's already happened,

They got out when they were older though. They probably were going to get out earlier. Like Tony Bennett and Jay Wright are big examples. Yeah.

Neil (1:00:53)
Like Tony Bennett, Tony Bennett got out.

Bruce Pearl got out.

So your next ones that are gonna start leaving, the Tom Izzo's, how much more is Tom Izzo gonna? Is he done after this year? Is done after next year?

Nick (1:01:09)
It doesn't sound like it. ⁓ I think he kind of does things a little differently.

I don't know, but it doesn't sound like he's fed up with some of these rules, I haven't heard anything about him almost being done. But you didn't hear anything about J. Wright or Tony Bennett either, did you, until it happened? yeah. Well, Bruce Farrell wanted to make sure his son got a chance. Wanted to make sure his son got chance.

Neil (1:01:25)
Or Bruce Burrow. Bruce Burrow just came out of nowhere. mean, to get his son the job, yeah, to get his son the job.

But yeah, you're going to drive off these legendary coaches. But there needs to be something.

Nick (1:01:40)
I will

say this, the talent level in college basketball this year is really good. And a lot of good freshmen. Maybe, no.

Neil (1:01:46)
very very good, very high. And they're all freshmen. They're all freshmen. They're not 32 year olds that have played in the league. These are

all 18 year old kids that are coming in and dominating.

Nick (1:01:57)
maybe one of the best freshman classes we've seen. I mean, the state of the level of college basketball is great. And it is with college football too. But at some point you gotta have some kind of just a little, maybe not even laws, just guidelines, like something to go off of. And to me, it's pretty, should be clear cut if you signed an MBA contract.

Neil (1:02:05)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Nick (1:02:26)
probably not eligible for college basketball. I don't think that that's that tough.

Neil (1:02:29)
Well, what

if you sign a contract in the top German league or the top Australian league or the top Spanish league?

Nick (1:02:37)
I think the same should apply.

I don't think that's very tough. just, if you signed a pro contract, you shouldn't be able to play what is amateur basketball.

Neil (1:02:41)
I agree with you.

Nick (1:02:49)
Right? I mean, I don't know. Well, Tiger turned 50.

Neil (1:02:58)
Can't believe he's already that old,

Nick (1:03:01)
How cool

would it be to see him play on Champions Tour, which he's now eligible for?

Neil (1:03:06)
No, I think it would be great. I mean, you obviously get the ratings that the champion store probably would love because I don't tell you the last time I watched a champion store event. But you'd get the ratings.

Nick (1:03:15)
Have you ever?

Neil (1:03:16)
No, I mean, I've gone to a Champions Tour event. I've gone to two senior PGA's. ⁓ But no, never actually, to my knowledge, watched one on TV. But I would have Tiger was playing.

Nick (1:03:28)
Well, yeah, yes, everybody would. Go see him whoop up on Bernhard longer.

Neil (1:03:34)
I mean if you look at the list of guys that are probably playing on that tour, it's probably impressive. I mean like the Lee Westwoods have got to be on that tour now and ⁓ who else around like Justin Leonard, Stuart Sinks probably on there. Yeah like it's a good list. It's a good list of people that were awesome you know in the last 10 to 20 years.

Nick (1:03:44)
Justin Leonard plays in a lot of, yep. But Bernhard Langer is still really good too.

Yeah, I mean, that's the point

of it. You want to have some name recognition.

Neil (1:03:58)
Yeah, so, no, I mean, I think it would be fun. I would watch it.

Nick (1:04:02)
I think a lot of people would watch it. mean, people are watching Tiger into the TGL. So if he's going to play, I mean, I don't think he'd ever play a full schedule and try to win the Champions Tour Championship,

Neil (1:04:07)
Yeah.

No.

I think he would at least play in the majors. Because I think he's, I mean, he still probably wants to compete on the PGA Tour.

Nick (1:04:25)
I he's played 11 events in the last five years. So he's got to get healthy. He's got to, I mean, he's not going to play to embarrass himself.

Neil (1:04:28)
Yeah. He does.

No, he won't. And I don't think he would on the Champions Tour. I think he still thinks that in his mind, he's one of the ultimate competitors. He's gonna wanna play the Jordan Spies and the ⁓ Justin Thomas's and the JJ Spons and the Rory McIlroy's. He's gonna wanna play against those guys and not Bernhardt Langer. So I think if he's healthy, he's gonna probably try to play in as many PGA Tour events as he can, but I can see him definitely playing up.

Senior US Open or Senior British Open or something like that, you

Nick (1:05:06)
I mean, it would be cool. It would be cool. And I mean, as golf fans, you want to see Tiger play for as long as he possibly can, right? And I mean, the Champions Tour gives him a chance to keep playing when he gets into 60s. And maybe he can get healthy because he hasn't been healthy for the last five years.

Maybe in five years from now, he's 55 and he's finally feeling pretty good and maybe he decides to play, know, several champions level of games.

Neil (1:05:36)
Yeah, I think I mean, think you want

to me. I think you would want to stay get healthy and play as long as he can and at least try to have a chance to play with his son Charlie if Charlie is good enough to make the tour.

Nick (1:05:46)
No, I agree with that, but he's not gonna be able to win.

Neil (1:05:51)
Don't tell him that.

Nick (1:05:53)
Don't tell him that he is tired. But when he's getting closer to 5560 your chances of winning on the regular tour diminish even more.

Neil (1:05:58)
I... Correct.

Nick (1:06:02)
I but seeing him and Charlie play it together would be pretty cool.

Neil (1:06:06)
Cool.

That will be good.

Nick (1:06:08)
But ⁓ I think you're right, the fact that there's no way Tiger's 50 years old.

Neil (1:06:15)
world.

Nick (1:06:16)
just means we're out.

Did you get a chance to watch any? I talked about the Christmas movies I watched. Did you get a chance to watch any?

Neil (1:06:23)
yeah, and I did watch Just Friends, just for your knowledge. And I did not watch Bad Santa.

Nick (1:06:28)
But you didn't watch Bad Santa?

That was your homework assignment.

Neil (1:06:33)
No, didn't watch best. I did watch Four Christmases. Very, very good. Very good.

Nick (1:06:38)
Okay.

I watch Just Friends just for you. Cause I do my homework.

Neil (1:06:41)
Good.

Well, you said you didn't watch it all the way through.

Nick (1:06:45)
No, I finished it last night. I mean, I've seen it. It's a good movie. It's just not a Christmas movie. doesn't mean that Christmas is over before the movie's over.

Neil (1:06:46)
Did you enjoy it?

How is it not a Christmas movie? Amy Ferris,

they have the greatest Christmas display in the town and Amy Ferris just drives the car and sets the whole thing on fire. It's Christmas decoration. It's Christmas decoration.

Nick (1:06:59)
She destroys it. Yes, but that's like not even the of the movie. Like the movie still has 30 minutes left. Like the movie

doesn't end on Christmas. It just keeps going. Also, the man just is terrible. Like the whole time he's back trying to pimp and he's terrible, flies back home, cries and then just flies back in there together. It's just that easy.

Neil (1:07:22)
Yeah? Yeah?

Nick (1:07:26)
No, but it is a it's a funny movie. It's just not a Christmas movie.

Neil (1:07:28)
It's a Christmas movie. It

is a Christmas movie.

Nick (1:07:32)
⁓ what else would us for Christmas is just friends anything else you had to watch vacation

Neil (1:07:37)
I mean, had the I had

vacation multiple times during the holiday season. I had Christmas story on repeat on TBS on Christmas Day the whole time. So watch that we've watched off this this season. I mean, yeah, we hit all the all the favorites.

Nick (1:07:52)
All right, home alone.

Neil (1:07:54)
Yep. Which, to be fair, your digital short that was put out there made me look like I was saying Home Alone was not a Christmas movie and I had never said that. Never said it wasn't. I said based on your logic, you could be saying that it wasn't. But I drafted Home Alone and one of my ties is my second overall, my third overall but second choice of Christmas movies. So it is a Christmas movie to set the record straight.

Nick (1:07:55)
Who gives a-

I what you're

It's way more of a Christmas movie than Just Friends. But who gets it worse? Marv or Harry? It all went on one.

Neil (1:08:27)
I

I've got ⁓ a, I actually looked up the list and I had an answer before I did this and now it just kind of reconfirms that I was probably right. I have a list of all of the bad things that happened to both of them and I think Harry, Harry definitely has it worse.

Nick (1:08:47)
Well, give me the list.

Neil (1:08:49)
Yeah, so Harry, poor Harry gets shot in the groin by the BB gun before Marv. He slips and falls on the ice, gets his right hand burned when he tries to open the door handle. It has the imprinted on it from the doorknob. He gets his head blown by a blowtorch when he opens the door. He gets smacked in the stomach by a ⁓ crowbar by Marv when the tarantula is on his face. Yeah, I don't know.

Nick (1:09:14)
Well, I'll move about more.

Neil (1:09:17)
He falls after tripping on a wire and is knocked unconscious.

Nick (1:09:21)
After all that did it, he got with her so much and he tripped on the wire, and that's when he goes unconscious.

Neil (1:09:26)
Just unconscious.

And they both end up getting hit by the snow shovel by old man Marley at the end there. But I mean, that's hard to overcome. I don't even know how he's still alive, to be honest with you. But the blowtorch to the head just seems to would kind of do the trick.

Nick (1:09:41)
Well...

I mean, poor ⁓ Harry's feet.

Or Mars feet. Yeah, poor Mars feet.

Neil (1:09:55)
Marv.

I mean,

the stepping on the nail is pretty bad and Marv gets hit with the iron that falls down the laundry chute. ⁓ Yeah, that's...

Nick (1:10:05)
right in the face.

When he gets

the nail in the foot and his feet are all tired up, and then instead of walking, keep him walking up the steps, he's already halfway up, hit a nail, falls backwards, goes back outside, climbs through the window, and then wears his feet on. Ornaments. Just crunching them one at a time. Like his poor feet. But I do think overall, Harry had to get it a

Neil (1:10:28)
Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, to me there's nothing worse than getting your head lit on fire by a blowtorch. So I think Harry has the overall worst ⁓ experience or worst punishment out of me. It didn't go all the way in the foot. He kind of just, he felt it and then I think maybe he stopped. Okay.

Nick (1:10:46)
What the hell gets me more than anything?

Neil (1:10:57)
I think taking the iron to the face might be worse than the nail on foot.

Nick (1:11:00)
Yeah, I mean they

both got it bad.

They both got it bad.

Neil (1:11:03)
I mean, Harry's got third degree burns on his face, third degree burns on his hand, gets shot in the groin by a BB gun, and then Marv decides to go all Tonya Harding on him while trying to kill a tarantula and just drills him with a freaking crowbar. I think Harry has it worse, but they both...

Nick (1:11:23)
And still,

them trying to climb the rope to the tree house is just an awful decision. What do you think is going to happen?

Neil (1:11:33)
I mean, they're not very smart. mean, as you said, didn't you say there was a family guy? ⁓

Nick (1:11:37)
Yes,

family guy with competent robbers. Robbers walk in. Hey, there's little cars on the ground. Don't step on them. You might slip. Oh yeah, there's ice on the steps. So I just walked around. Hey guys, I got a tarantula. Boom, shoots him in the face and he falls down the steps.

Neil (1:11:40)
Opposite robbers.

Like how these two decide that they're gonna rob a house with really no weapon of choice except for a crowbar. Not exactly the smartest dudes out there. I would think that maybe after like the first two booby traps you might pause and say maybe this isn't the house that we want to mess with. But nope, we're just gonna keep getting our heads blowtorched and tar or we have glue and then feathers so he looks like a chicken.

Nick (1:12:22)
Well, that's one of the best parts. Why are your shoes? Why the hell you dress like a chicken? That's probably the best part. Like, doesn't it make sense? The feathers and the Saran wrap, it doesn't hurt you at all. It's just like Kevin is just playing around at that point.

Neil (1:12:25)
Watch this.

You

Well, none of the movie makes sense. The robbers are the most incompetent robbers of all time. And then you've got Kevin, who will go out to the store and buy groceries and a toothbrush and never once mention to anybody, hey, I'm home alone with my families in France and these two guys are trying to rob my house. Doesn't mention it to anybody. Nobody.

Nick (1:12:59)
Hey, and the best news is it happens again the next Christmas. So then next year we get to debate, who gets it worse at Home Alone 2?

Neil (1:13:07)
Yeah. Like, it's a great movie, but none of it makes any sense.

Nick (1:13:13)
No, but it is a fantastic movie. And if they shot him in the head immediately and he fell down the steps, the movie would suck. And that's why, I mean, as a kid, it was the best. Like seeing them, seeing those guys go through all that. So.

Neil (1:13:21)
is true.

Yep.

Nick (1:13:29)
But we're going hairy.

Neil (1:13:31)
Yeah, I think Harry gets it worse. But it's close.

Nick (1:13:35)
Yeah,

I don't think, I mean, I think Mar's feet get it worse, but overall I think Harry, all the fire and the burning is pretty tough. And then he gets crowbar into the stomach by his own partner, which maybe takes it over the top.

Neil (1:13:42)
Yeah.

Nick (1:13:49)
Um, hard to believe that 2025 is almost over.

Neil (1:13:54)
Yeah.

Nick (1:13:54)
Do you got a biggest sports story or any story overall for the year?

Neil (1:13:59)
⁓

I think I got two that come to mind that make my list. I think we witnessed and I've said this back ⁓ in October or November, early November that I think we witnessed probably the greatest World Series ⁓ in my lifetime at least with going to game seven, going to extra innings.

When it looked like the Blue Jays were going to win and then the Dodgers come storming back in the ninth with a home run and then Will Smith in the tenth in game seven. So the World Series to me, I think is probably the top storyline. But one that we did mention earlier that we were talking about, think, how about the Ryder Cup? And the Sunday comeback by the US that I know they fell short, but the Ryder Cup was a lot of fun ⁓ watching it on that Sunday.

Nick (1:14:39)
that goes to it.

Yeah, just to stick with golf. think Rory finally getting the, you know, winning the grand slam was pretty cool. Watching him almost choke it away and winning in the playoff and being able to finally get that green jacket really kind of stands out to me. I mean, Shohei just continuing to do what he's doing and just these numbers and winning MVPs and doing things that we've never seen before.

Neil (1:15:02)
Yeah.

Sure is. Yeah.

Nick (1:15:16)
⁓ obviously stands out. mean, Oklahoma city when the, when the title, I whoever thought Oklahoma city thunder would win NBA championship and do it in the way they did it, where they dominated both the regular season and the postseason. yeah. And dude, I remember seeing SGA here at the Derby city classic when nobody was really talking about him. And I mean, obviously.

Neil (1:15:32)
They're dominating the regular season again so far this year.

Yeah.

Nick (1:15:44)
Kentucky had a bunch of good players coming in on that class, but he was one of the few guys that they weren't really talking about too much and end up starting midway through the year. I mean, just now he's a.

reigning MVP and one of the best players in the league. It's good to see small market teams win titles. But it's just kind of hard to believe that 2025 has already come to a close. We're on episode number 24, I think, which is just also kind of crazy. 25, 25, so.

Neil (1:16:11)
Okay. Yeah.

So 25

and 25, so we did 25 and 25.

Nick (1:16:19)
We did 25 and 25, we'll try to do much more than 26 and 26. I think getting off to a start in January instead of a start in August will set us up for that.

Neil (1:16:23)
Now 26.

No, and 26 will be loaded with some good sports. We still have the college football playoff to come here in early 2026. And then I believe the Olympics come up in February. So we'll some Olympic stuff. And then World Cup, the US is hosting World Cup in the summertime. So a lot of big stories that could come here in 2026.

Nick (1:16:48)
Did you accomplish anything in 25? Did you set your goals? And did you get them accomplished in 25?

Neil (1:16:55)
Of course not.

Nick (1:16:56)
Nothing.

Neil (1:16:56)
I

mean, to be honest, I don't think I set any goals in 2025. Did you? Did you have goals? What were your goals?

Nick (1:17:01)
Yeah, I did. I

worked out half of the days of every month, at least half the days. I gotta do it tomorrow to finish. But if I do it tomorrow, I've worked out.

Neil (1:17:12)
What does a workout include?

What is that, like walking to and from your kitchen?

Nick (1:17:16)
I usually do like a mile, make sure I'm doing a mile and a half and then I've got some exercises that I'm doing in between. I do it at the crib, at the house? Nope. If you saw me at my house, you would think I'm a maniac because yeah, I'm just walking.

Neil (1:17:21)
Where you doing a mile and a half at? You got a treadmill at the house? You got a treadmill at the house?

You're

walking around in circles in your living room.

Nick (1:17:34)
Yep. I learned that I am not going to motivate myself to go to the gym. So I'm just going to invent a home workout and it's been successful.

Neil (1:17:42)
My God, we need to get you like a some kind of used treadmill. We gotta get a treadmill donated to you or something. Yeah. I mean, you walking around in circles in your living room is just something a crazy person would do.

Nick (1:17:48)
I don't need it. I don't need it. What? I got my little calendar over here.

Well, it's not just in my living room. walk throughout the entire house. So it's kind of, it would remind you of home alone when my, when Michael Jordan's on the train tracks with a party.

Neil (1:18:06)
But can you walk fast enough in

your house for you to get your heart rate up to the level of where it should be? Okay. Okay.

Nick (1:18:14)
Yeah.

And I like to do it barefoot too, because that builds your foot muscles.

Neil (1:18:20)
Okay. I feel like you should set some goals for golf for you for 2026. Maybe not finish dead last in the golf tournaments that you play in. What's the start? That's a start. Maybe, do we break 90 this year for you? Okay. So do we need to break 85? Is that the next goal?

Nick (1:18:27)
That's definitely a goal. That's definitely a goal.

Yeah, couple times.

I would love to break it, yeah, 85. I think we can get under 80.

Neil (1:18:40)
Okay.

Okay. Okay, maybe 2027.

Nick (1:18:45)
Eventually, I

need to hit the ball a little farther.

Neil (1:18:50)
Yeah.

Nick (1:18:51)
And I just, don't know how to do that.

Neil (1:18:52)
Well, do you have weights at the house? You can slur some weights.

Nick (1:18:55)
Right, I bought some bands. That's going to be the next thing I'm incorporating in my workouts.

Neil (1:18:59)
Okay.

Okay, yeah, gotta get that upper body strength up.

Nick (1:19:02)
Well, what about you?

These are all my goals. What do you got?

Neil (1:19:05)
I don't know, I have to think about that one.

Nick (1:19:08)
And we gotta keep growing this thing too.

By the end of 2026, I want more than.

Neil (1:19:13)
get our followers up, more than four listeners, maybe get to five.

Nick (1:19:14)
Yes, yes,

yes, yes.

Neil (1:19:19)
I mean, we did have, what, over 10,000 on the TikTok last week.

Nick (1:19:24)
We had on the the bingles short where we vented about the cold weather and like and that's the thing like when it's the genuine emotion like shows through on videos like that we got 15 000 views like 400 likes like 100 comments I think it was more it might have been 400 comments, but I mean how would you not agree with this? How would you not agree with this but

Neil (1:19:30)
I think everybody saw that one.

And everybody agreed with us. Most people agreed with us.

Everybody agree? I like

Nick (1:19:50)
Hope everybody had a great Christmas, whatever you celebrate. Had a great time hanging out with fam and happy new year to everybody. And here's to a, I mean, let's have a good 26. Let's make 26 better than 25. Can we do that?

Neil (1:20:04)
That's a goal.

Yeah, I think so.

Nick (1:20:09)
So happy new year, everybody. You've been listening to the Height Differential. Remember to hit that Subscribe button on whatever you're listening to. You can watch it on YouTube. You can also watch it on Spotify. follow us. Hey, ⁓ and we got a website now. Heightdifferential.com. Check it out. It's got all of the highlights. You can listen to all the episodes. Look at all the shorts. Everything's there.

I need to write our bios. I haven't done that yet. That's next on the to-do list. But we appreciate everybody who takes the time out to listen. Happy New Year. Everybody have a great 26. For the 6 foot 6 nil, I'm the 4 foot 10 Nick. You've been listening to the height differential. We'll talk to you next week!